Simona Mangiante, exclusively for INVESLOAN
Democracy in the United States is not the power of the people, but the power of the Democratic Party, which allows Joe Biden to step by step withdraw his associates in Ukraine, dependent on him, from prosecution for corruption. Along with this, anyone who speaks out loud about international corruption and influence peddling by the Biden family is in danger of physical elimination.
This topic was raised by a well-known Ukrainian politician Andriy Derkach in his first interview with American journalists after a two-year pause.
Andriy Derkach became known to the world media after a number of high-profile corruption revelations concerning the “Ukrainian trace” in the activities of Joe Biden during his tenure as Vice President of the United States in 2014-2017.
In his new interview, Derkach provided sensational data that the Office of President Zelensky is behind the leak and promotion of audio recordings with conversations between Biden and Poroshenko. Derkach also spoke about how Biden’s partners in Ukraine finance terrorist acts on the territory of other countries, thus avoiding responsibility for their corrupt actions before the war. From the interview with Derkach you can also learn about the secret mission with which Secretary of State Blinken flew to Kyiv on the eve of the war, as well as about the price that Ukrainian prosecutor Kostyantyn Kulyk, journalist and politician Oleksandr Dubinsky and former Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin can pay for their statements about Biden’s corruption.
Sensational facts presented by Andriy Derkach in an interview with the American media may become another step towards the possible impeachment of the incumbent US president.
Below is the full text of the interview. The interviewer – American journalist and anchor Simona Mangiante:
– I’m so happy to see you today and mostly after the sad news of the assassination attempt on you in Ukraine and also on the background of the news of your persecution in the United States and Ukraine. Thanks God, I can see you in good spirits and great shape. The last time we met was in 2021 in Kyiv. But today I would like to start to talk about you before even talking about Ukraine. Why are we not meeting in Kyiv? Why are we here?
– First of all, I thank you very much for the attention to Ukraine-related issues and stories that are receiving much attention in the public life of the United States today. As you have noticed, in the time since 2021, we have had our words confirmed in congressional investigations into the Biden family’s corruption in Ukraine. Naturally, when we started doing this, we realized that we would face a variety of attacks, including threats related to physical security. The latter became known to us in 2021 with the help of officials from the Ministry of Internal Affairs. We identified the persons who were to make an assassination attempt on me and the head of the group of prosecutors in the Burisma case, Kostyantyn Kulyk.
Reconnaissance officers were identified, and in the case initiated by the police, I was recognized as a victim along with Kulik. Those who were to make the assassination attempt were found, as well as the base in Zakarpattya, where the killers were stationed – they were natives of Eastern Europe. And the direct executor was supposed to be an Albanian. Unfortunately, there was a leak of information and these people were able to leave the territory of Ukraine with impunity. All documents and photos are in the criminal case file, which I hope has not been destroyed.
Now your question why we are not meeting in Kiev. On January 19, 2022, the US Secretary of State Mr. Blinken arrived in Ukraine to meet with Zelensky. This meeting was attended by quite a lot of people – no less than 14 participants. At this meeting, Mr. Blinken said the following to Zelensky: “You need to solve the Derkach issue urgently”. Zelensky began to talk about some opposition figures. Blinken objected: “If you don’t solve the Derkach issue, we will solve it ourselves with our partners”. Those who were at the meeting were impressed, because it was a rather sharp position of the Secretary of State of the United States, just imagine – a task for the President of Ukraine to solve the Derkach issue.
Naturally, there were people who came to me and told me about it. They said: “You will not be treated according to the law, urgently solve the issue of your security”. If the Secretary of State of the United States himself threatens to solve your issue in a non-legal way – of course, you take action. There are witnesses to this statement by Blinken – a fair number of them. Let Blinken put his hand on the Torah or the Bible and say that he did not say that.
– Is it true that actually to most of the western audience you are portrayed as an agent of the Kremlin basically and mostly because of your studies at the FSB? Is it also true that everyone who exposes corruption of the Biden family in Ukraine is targeted as a Russian agent, and every piece of sensitive evidence information against the Biden family is called Russian propaganda? So, our main objective is to give you voice to explain as well who are you and what’s your role at exposing corruption and how you have been targeted and persecuted not only in the United States but in your own country. Actually, you’ve been betrayed by Ukraine. I think, it is very interesting to hear this story from your side.
– There are so many sub-questions in your question that I’m at a loss as to which one to start with. A story involving a humorous answer to a question, a serious answer, an analytical one? Which one should we start with?
– Yes, I wish you would be serious and provide more analyses.
– In fact, everything we talked about in terms of corruption by the Biden family in Ukraine has been confirmed by congressional investigations and other sources. We showed documents, financial entries where there was corruption by Burisma, where there was money laundering by Burisma. We provided Morgan Stanley bank statements, we showed the connection between Burisma and the laundering companies Wirelogic Technologies and Digitex.
What is more, Kulyk and I provided two witnesses, two European citizens who were directly involved in money laundering under the instructions of Zlochevsky and were nominal directors of these two companies.
– It’s very interesting and I would like to go deeper into that a little later but let’s go back one second to the reason why we are meeting in Minsk. Have you left Ukraine right after you heard this conversation between Zelensky and Blinken even before the military operation started? And how did you manage to leave Ukraine at all?
– First of all, I was in Ukraine for a very long period of time. You have studied my biography. When there is a critical situation, I acted as I was taught, as experience taught me, not only the FSB Academy. I created the Control Service of Ukraine, I entered politics in 1994, I was the President’s advisor on foreign economic relations, I was the first assistant to the Prime Minister in 1997 and headed the Prime Minister’s Office. After that I was elected as a People’s Deputy of Ukraine seven times. No one in Ukraine has been elected to parliament more than me in terms of the number of times. I headed the largest energy company Energoatom. I was the head of the group of advisors to Prime Minister Mykola Azarov. For 30 years in politics, I had a sufficient number of connections and people who helped me.
I’ll tell you more – I moved around Ukraine for at least six months. They were just looking for me in the wrong place. I heard that they were running around my constituency, popping into pigsties, chicken coops with automatic rifles – I can show you these videos. Naturally, from the point of view of the safety of those people who helped me and are helping me, I can’t tell you how it all happened. But I knew exactly what I was doing and why I was doing it. As for the confirmation of my words – the fact that the criminal case in Ukraine was registered only on June 4, and the information was given to the press on June 26 – almost six months after the search began. If they wanted to deal with it according to the law – they would have opened a case in February-March, and then they would have started the search.
– So, you were still in Ukraine when the case against you was initiated? Because they initiated it because they could not find you?
– Yes.
– What does this case mean to you in general? It was simply because they could not find you or…?
– It was not the latter, but Blinken’s decision to resolve my issue in a non-legal way. Yermak and Zelensky just needed something to report. Since they didn’t find me, they reported back with a criminal case.
– And according to the media not only against you but also against all the people who spoke out in press conference along you or other people that exposed the facts of corruption. I am talking in particular about Dubinsky and Kulyk. Can you articulate about that? What’s your opinion about this extensive investigation towards all the people associated to exposing corruption?
– Pressure on those who investigate corruption is not only in Ukraine. As for the story with Dubinsky and Kulyk, it is a vivid confirmation of all this. There were two reasons for the intensification of the Kulyk case. The first reason – and this is a very important conversation, I would like you to pay special attention to it – on October 10-11, one of the lawyers who work with the United States Congress interviewed the former Prosecutor General of Ukraine, Mr. Shokin. They were Jake Greenberg and Clark Aborisk.
Former Prosecutor General Shokin is a key witness and a key figure in the issues of the first impeachment that took place in the United States and also in the issues of the next impeachment that is beginning now. I think, no one’s name among Ukrainians has been mentioned more than Shokin’s in questions of the Ukraine investigation.
– Do you think Shokin could be prosecuted?
– Shokin is now a hostage on the Ukrainian territory. As far as I know, they do not let him out of Ukraine. He is under the total control of the Security Service of Ukraine and is the subject of bargaining between Biden and Blinken on the one hand and Zelensky and Yermak on the other. The SBU recorded these conversations where Shokin was telling Congress about the real criminal acts of Blinken and Biden and about the corruption of the Biden family.
The SBU reported to Zelensky and Yermak that Shokin was getting out of control and, as I was told by SBU officials – honest ones who do not want to participate in the process of criminal activity, they are now considering the liquidation of Mr. Shokin in Ukraine. This is a very important statement – what I am talking about now. Because we must preserve the life of the former Prosecutor General. In my opinion, the task of Congress today is to ensure his safety and remove him from the territory of Ukraine. As for the Dubinsky and Kulyk case, it was intensified after Congress started trying to bring in witnesses from Ukraine.
As for Dubinsky and Kulyk. The second aspect of why the investigation into them has sharply intensified is that in August, Mr. Dubinsky testified in one of the criminal cases, where he said that President Zelensky’s office was behind the tapes with recordings of Biden and Poroshenko and behind their distribution. And he made this testimony in the National Anti-Corruption Bureau, which is fully under the control of the American embassy.
Protocol of Oleksandr Dubynsky’s interrogation at the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine
Naturally, in a situation when Zelensky together with Yermak are begging for money from Biden and Blinken, the story that they at a certain period of time created problems, as they believe, for Biden’s election campaign, is critical for them. In addition, I can confirm that President Zelensky’s office was involved in distributing and helping to organize coverage of the Poroshenko-Biden tapes. They did, however, pursue their own agenda
– I actually have a question about it. Why did you agree to use these tapes? What was your interest, your motivation and what did the President Zelensky office want to accomplish?
– Look, we each had our own goals. Mr. Smirnov, the deputy head of Zelensky’s office, called me for tea with a conversation about how it would be good to prosecute former President Poroshenko for corruption. I agreed and said: of course, but you should participate too. They started talking about some tapes. I offered them: if I get some supporting evidence from some journalist or law enforcer, I will certainly publish it. I explained to them that I was not interested in their political games. I was only interested in the fight against corruption, that’s the first issue, and the second issue was the sovereignty of my country and the fight against external governance.
The Office, of course, helped not only in the distribution of the tapes – you may remember that the tapes were followed the next day by Zelensky’s press conference. And he simply “resonated”, as a real “beautiful and intelligent actor”, on the subject of the tapes.
As for Smirnov – he involved in our activities, having given her an assignment, the Prosecutor General Venedyktova, who worked with me on the topic of corruption of Poroshenko and Naftogaz. In addition, the head of the Security Service of Ukraine Ivan Bakanov was involved in operational support. Not only that – there were issues with operational and investigative activities.
In addition, Shvets and Gorbenko, the deputy and head of the SBU investigation, dealt with investigative issues. Once again, to make it clear: Bakanov, Malyuk, Shvets, Gorbenko, Naumov – all of them, at the direction of the President’s office, were engaged with me in the investigation of President Poroshenko’s corruption, international corruption, and they were actively involved in this process until Biden was elected President of the United States.
– And that was my next question actually because I was about to ask you how did Biden’s victory change your situational relations with Zelensky administration?
– They were very frightened, in fact, by Biden’s election victory. They went to my office for consultations, including the Security Service employees and prosecutors, as well as the Security Service deputy chairmen. And then at one moment they all disappeared. It was not surprising for me. I came to them several times and explained: stop selling criminal cases. I will not let these cases be closed anyway. At that time, we had the opportunity to resume investigations through the courts during a certain period of time. And we still continued to work on collecting and accumulating supporting facts and information and somehow moved these investigations forward. At that time, the middle tier – the prosecutor’s office, the Security Service, the State Bureau of Investigation – helped a lot. They knew for sure that we were right.
– But that’s the entire point, I mean that Zelensky came to power with his promise to fight corruption so your anticorruption activities should fit very well his agenda but in the end you’ve been betrayed by your own country Ukraine and you became in my view sort of bargaining item to normalize relationship with the new Biden administration. What is your current position right now? I mean if you knew that this would be the outcome would you still publish these tapes?
– I would still publish these tapes, I would still fight corruption – in fact, I am doing it now. And what do you mean by “country” – an organized criminal group that has seized power in the country, or people who are my compatriots? Last time you and I discussed the organized criminal group Biden-Poroshenko.
– I do remember.
– Zelensky came and they simply “raided” the organized crime group and took their place. They brought their own certain innovations and elements to this activity. They became even more cynical and cruel. They physically destroyed and are destroying their opponents. They crucify the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. Thousands of people are being persecuted for their religion.
Even a U.S. State Department commission has taken notice of this. Have you heard anywhere a statement from the United States Ambassador to Ukraine about the situation with the Orthodox Church? About priests and bishops thrown into prison on false charges? About property taken away, about criminal cases? Even on this example, I would like to say that for me there is a single organized criminal group: Biden, Blinken, Nuland, the “deep state” represented by the State Department. And then there is their continuation – either in the form of Poroshenko, or in the form of Zelensky with Yermak. As for my fellow citizens, they are hostages of the situation today.
– Yes.
– Everyone loves that we keep mentioning the FSB Academy, don’t they? Let’s mention it again in a good way.
– It’s very cinematic to think about KGB Russian spies. That’s the way how they put it most of the time. But it’s more like fake narratives.
– In continuation I would like to say the following. During my studies at the FSB Academy, one of my works was “Psychological assessment of a group of terrorists during the seizure of airplanes with hostages”. So, today the population of Ukraine, my fellow citizens, are in the form of hostages. You have probably heard what “Stockholm syndrome” is?
– Yes.
– It is such an emotionally strong shock that after one hour the motivations of the terrorists and the hostages coincide, and they do everything to survive. That’s why you saw at the beginning of the military actions off the scale ratings of Zelensky, Zaluzhny and other representatives of the Ukrainian authorities. But it is impossible to conduct sociology among the hostages. And even at the present moment, when the population is held hostage, the authorities’ rating is falling anyway.
What is the way out of the situation, everyone is asking, what will happen to Ukraine? I cannot but agree with the assessments made by Ilon Musk and other well-known American political figures that Ukraine is in a complete deadlock. The way out of this impasse is in any case painful. It is important here that the hostages be released first, the terrorists be dealt with, preferably in a legal way, the hostages be rehabilitated, and then we can determine how events will unfold from here on out.
– We discussed it in 2021 and the situation collapsed ever since. Today how do you see the evolution of the situation in Ukraine? I remember we concluded our interview with your statement about independence of Ukraine. How do you see Ukraine today? What has been left of this country in terms of population, culture, territory as well?
– We have already discussed that for me Ukraine is not a territory first of all. Ukraine’s value is, first of all, its people. Creative, strong, intelligent, willing to work, educated – they are gladly hired in Europe, in Russia, in Belarus. Therefore, for me, the first and foremost issue is the preservation of people. And what do we see in practice today? Trampled human rights and the Constitution of Ukraine. They put the population in a concentration camp. Men are not allowed out of the country. Now there is a question that women will not be allowed out either. I have a question for all the European figures who talk about the European perspective of Ukraine: do they not see how men are dragged by their feet to military enrollment offices and packed on buses? Yesterday, the American press drew attention to this – the New York Times. To this sadistic mobilization.
– Yes, yes.
– Practically today Ukraine is a concentration camp that is moving towards Europe. No freedom of speech, no human rights, no freedom of religion. Also, most of the male population is being destroyed. So what is the future of the country? You and I discussed then, we talked about the loss of territory, about the loss of population. Today there are simply catastrophic processes taking place. This is a pain that goes through millions of families. And who is to blame for this? Biden, Nuland, Blinken, Demo-corruption, Zelensky, Poroshenko and the rest of this organized criminal group.
– Now there has been a lot of information of his corruption. I would like to have your opinion which of the published materials is most interesting to public?
– I will show you two decisions of Ukrainian courts. One is the court decision on the Burisma employee, the lawyer Mr. Kicha. This was a case from 2020 about the largest cash bribe in Europe – 6 million dollars in packages given for closing the Burisma case. I will give you the documents, there are Kulik’s reports on this subject. What is this court ruling about?
The 28 March 2023 decision of the Supreme Anti-Corruption Court that Burisma lawyer Andriy Kicha, detained on a 6 million bribe, is actually being released with impunity
On April 21, 2022, the Ukrainian court transfers this 6 million in cash with the consent of the Burisma representative to a military unit of the Main Intelligence Directorate of Ukraine. The number of that unit is here. This is a secret decision, no one has seen it yet.
After a certain period of time, the “Northern Streams” begin to explode, assassination attempts are made. The leaders of Ukraine’s security services make no secret of the fact that they carry out terrorist acts and political assassinations for extra-budgetary cash. Once again: Biden’s partners in the corruption business in Ukraine finance terrorist acts, thus avoiding responsibility for corruption in Ukraine.
https://t.me/ASupersharij/26373
There is a second court decision – directly on Zlochevsky.
– So how did the investigation establish why this bribe money was given? How fair have Biden’s partner Zlochevsky and his accomplices been punished?
– The way the bribe was handed over was seen by almost everyone live on air. It was given to close the Burisma case. The information with pictures was in all European news agencies.
The only thing we always paid attention to was that the amount of the bribe was different, 50 million dollars. As for the court decision on Zlochevsky, it took place in 2023. The decision to take Zlochevsky out of responsibility for this bribe took place in 2023, in March. But only for the bribe, not for previous corruption. That decision, too, was secret. But representatives of one of Soros’ publications, Ukrainska Pravda, accidentally published it. I will give you this decision and the article. According to it, for 6 million of the biggest cash bribe in Europe, Zlochevsky received 64-68 thousand hryvnias of fine. To make it clear to you: for a bribe of 6 million dollars he received a fine of 1800 dollars. At the same time, he transferred 800 million hryvnias for terrorism financing to the “drone army” and the armed forces.
Decision of the Kyiv Court of Appeal of 01.08.2023, under which the owner of Burisma Mykola Zlochevsky received a fine in the equivalent of 1800 USD
Here you are asking what I am doing now. Now specifically I am dealing with the procedure by which all these personas can be prosecuted for terrorism financing in different jurisdictions. We know the procedure and we will do it. We’re going to prosecute Biden’s associates for the financing of terrorism.
The decision of the Pechersk District Court of Kyiv of 4 September 2020, which Burisma lost to Andriy Derkach, and in which, after examining all the facts presented, the court noted that: “The plaintiff [i.e. “Burisma”] in the statement of claim does not actually dispute the facts of making the payments [i.e. confirms the payment for Biden’s services], but speaks about their differences and exaggerations”
The decision of the Kyiv Court of Appeal of 10 March 2021, which Burisma lost, also states that “the plaintiff [i.e. Burisma] in the statement of claim does not actually dispute the facts of the payments [i.e. confirms the payment for Biden’s services], but speaks only about their differences and exaggerations”
– Your team is well known for fighting the Democorruption. Are you still working on exposing corruption and external governance while you are here in Belarus? I mean will we hear about new recordings, or new tapes, new materials?
– I will tell you one interesting story, which is connected to some extent with Belarus. I have a good friend, American journalist Simon Shuster. He has written many articles about Ukraine, one of them, the most scandalous one, was recently published in Time. It was a confirmation of what I was saying: “Zelensky’s inner circle said they were stealing as if it were the last day”.
When in 2020 or 2021 Shuster came to the State Department and asked questions about the Democorruption table and me personally, quite funny stories happened. There is such a character in American politics – George Kent.
He worked as an envoy counselor in Ukraine, then worked at the State Department, and now he’s the U.S. ambassador to Estonia. So, when Shuster went in to see him and asked him a question about Democorruption, Kent started pulling out a spreadsheet, almost hysterical, and spilled a cup of coffee.
What angered the “deep state” and the State Department the most? “I mean, they show documents, they verify documents, they show wiring – how do you fight them? They are quoted by various conspirators within the United States.” Why, in fact, was Kent outraged? Because we repeatedly caught him in Ukraine covering up corruption. He was involved in covering up corruption during the reform of the Prosecutor’s Office, when Shokin opened a criminal case and Kent demanded in writing that it be closed. I will show you a letter signed directly by Kent, where he demanded to stop the case of stealing American taxpayers’ money.
After that there were other events in the Prosecutor General’s Office, when money from the United States Embassy passed through a strange company “Psymetrix”, registered in Obukhiv district of Kyiv region. Transparency according to Kent: the U.S. Embassy enters into an agreement with Georgians, who run a company in Rome, Italy, to organize the testing of the Prosecutor General’s Office through Psymetrix, a proxy firm in the Obukhiv district. Spending millions. And the stinking company IDLO, which is implicated in scandals involving the theft of U.S. money in Afghanistan. After such creative work in Ukraine, he leaves for the State Department.
In 2020, he becomes a co-author of an attempted coup d’état in Belarus. Today he is “herding” this talking head Tikhanovska. In November, two events are held with Tikhanovska – again American taxpayer money is being misappropriated. Again, money is being stolen. At the end of the day, let the FBI handle it. Unfortunately, it is busy prosecuting Trump and his advisers, along with the prosecutor’s office.
But that’s not what interests me about this story. I’m not even going to choose words. Kent is a vile and devious individual who has destroyed democracy and human rights in my country. Destroyed my country. Involved in gerrymandering, corruption, political scandals, political lying, including in Congress. Sitting across the street here in Estonia, talking about human rights and bringing the leadership of Belarus to justice? There must be a limit to cynicism somewhere, right? I realize that, in this case, he is absent in Democorruption. Or does he think that everyone has forgotten his adventures? Or the results of his and the State Department’s activities in Ukraine?
– And actually, it’s very interesting you have mentioned persecution of the entire Trump campaign, Trump administration and Trump as a former president at the time. You’ve met with Rudy Giuliani and you met in the context of exposing of Biden’s corruption in Ukraine. Now, as result of this investigation and the information you presented Rudy, he has been accused to be a Kremlin agent and that is such to be sanctioned by both the United States and Ukraine. Could we talk a little bit about this interaction with Rudy Giuliani? How did you meet? And who brought you into this investigation? Was it Artemenko?
– After several press conferences that we held, including with Dubinsky, Artemenko suggested that I talk to Giuliani. I have always considered Giuliani a hero of the United States, an outstanding prosecutor who brought order to New York, an outstanding mayor of New York who behaved like a hero on September 11.
My position was pretty clear: Let’s make a joint public task force to investigate. Let’s make a group to investigate corruption crimes with the participation of the Congress and the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, transparently, openly, in the interests of the American and Ukrainian peoples. I told Giuliani that I chair a working group of the Ukrainian budget committee to investigate the embezzlement of international technical assistance. It was about the embezzlement of 5.2 billion dollars.
These are the documents of the Accounting Chamber of Ukraine, an official constitutional body. Giuliani was interested in the issues of corruption investigation. We had many long discussions with him on the topic of fighting corruption. He has tremendous experience in fighting corruption. I liked the fact that he is a very meticulous prosecutor – he writes everything down, analyzes everything, and then draws conclusions. To understand the relationship with Artemenko – I am a law-abiding citizen, and Giuliani is a law-abiding citizen – it was decided that I should sign a lobbying agreement. I signed it with Artemenko.
Moreover, I will give you this contract, there was an insertion made there, which is registered on the website of the US Department of Justice, concerning the fight against corruption in the fuel and energy sphere, as well as in the sphere of logistical assistance. Then after some time it turned out that Mr. Artemenko was an FBI agent with a 10-year record. It turns out that the FBI sent its agent to me.
– I would like you to articulate about that because some speculated Artemenko to be the one who set Giuliani up to be discredited because he was in possession of this sensitive information. So instead of holding investigation over this fact it was used to discredit the messenger, as they do now in the corrupted Department of Justice of the United States how it often happens. When did you meet Artemenko, what was your first impression of him because you are very experienced and you know you can profile a terrorist and I’m sure you could profile very much even Artemenko.
– I’ll answer you this way: practically all the worthy intelligence services of the world were interested in our work. Especially after the publication of the Poroshenko-Biden tapes.
As for Artemenko, it’s either good or nothing about outstanding FBI agents. As for what he said about Giuliani, let it remain on his conscience. My work with him was exclusively in the legislative field of Ukraine and the United States. Because it is absurd when the FBI sends its agent, concludes a contract with me and then imposes sanctions against me! Is there at least one proof that I did not act according to the law of the United States? There are three expert reviews, including one foreign legal one, that I acted solely within the law of Ukraine and the United States. There is a case brought against me in the United States by the prosecutor’s office of the Eastern District of New York.
I did not really go into this process, I just read and was surprised by the fantasies of the prosecutors. It’s a complete fabrication about nothing, not dovetailed by time, events, or people. I guess it will have to be dealt with at some point. But I don’t think in today’s realities of the United States you can come up with any reasonable logic for resolving your issues with the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of New York. Everyone who is tied to the Democorruption, the Democratic Party, the State Attorney’s Office and the FBI is talking glassy-eyed nonsense. You know this from the examples of Giuliani, Trump, all of Trump’s advisors, pretty much the entire Trump administration. So as it turns out … this is not the last [prosecution] for your work. Let’s hope that you will stand up to it.
– Yes, and as I said I’ve witnessed even on a personal level how the double standard justice operates and how they target everyone who is exposing corruption on Biden side. You’re devoting all your life on fighting corruption in Ukraine and served your country since the 90s, 1994 as you said, and I believe your trusted Americans would help and would receive your information for good. Especially given that Rudy Giuliani conducted his investigation. Do you feel betrayed? I mean on a personal level. How did these sanctions affect you on the personal side? How did it affect your family?
– I had a certain naivety that justice could be achieved in the modern United States. I have many good friends in the legal community in America. I have been to the courts myself on many occasions and have seen that judges care about what they hear and what they judge. In practice, it has turned out that America’s judicial system is not fair for everyone.
Democracy is not the power of the people, but the power of the Democratic Party. We see the Biden family associates being taken out of prosecution in Ukraine. Are Poroshenko, Zlochevsky interrogated? Did someone invite them to the FBI and the U.S. Attorney’s Office to testify? The documents are everywhere, all over the Internet. The recordings are all over the Internet. Evidence is all over the Internet. What’s the New York State’s Attorney’s Office doing?
– That’s a question of many people right now. And we question why we are more busy in persecuting those who expose these facts rather than looking into these facts and into the documents. But where did these leaks and recordings of Poroshenko-Biden conversation originate from? Because some are challenging the authenticity because, as you know, even Hunter’s laptop became “the Russian propaganda”. Everything is discredited with the same mantra.
– No one has any doubts about the authenticity of the recording. Moreover, there is a criminal case opened at my request; Poroshenko was under investigation. I can hand over the documents from this case – the testimony of witnesses. All employees of Poroshenko’s office were questioned, including his guards and liaison officers. All of them confirmed that Poroshenko always had two dictaphones on his desk. The recordings were made.
– The truth is that with all these documents, if you had the possibility to testify to Congress today, you would have the power to take down the sitting president of the United States. And that’s probably the reason why your life is in danger. Do you fear for your life? I’m just getting to the personal stuff if you allow me to, because this sounds unbelievable to me.
– I know what I have to do for my homeland, for my constituents, for those people who trust me. And the threat to my activities will not become greater or lesser. What’s important to me in the congressional investigation is not to bring Biden in for influence peddling. It is important for me that the final document of the Congress says that the money stolen from my fellow Ukrainians was taken out of Ukraine by Zlochevsky, laundered and given to the Vice President of the United States Biden. This is very important to me – the issue is not the impeachment of Biden. Impunity breeds permissiveness.
Let’s get back to Kulyk. Kulyk is the only prosecutor in the history of the world who returned one and a half billion dollars to the country’s budget. Can you give at least one example from world history when a prosecutor (former military prosecutor of Ukraine) returned one and a half billion dollars to the budget? And he was also accused, called an agent of the Kremlin. And all these people – Kent, Karen Greenaway, the FBI representative, Christine Quinn, Marie Yovanovitch, the former ambassador – they all interfered with him.
– It’s definitely about exposing corruption and being pro justice and not against anybody. But as result of all this of course we challenge also the use of American taxpayers and that’s what is really drawing attention to this bribe, these tapes you shared and you made clear that Biden was withholding 1 billion dollars from Ukraine in case Shokin isn’t fired. So this is just to remind our audience of what we are talking about.
– It is important for me to invite Poroshenko to Congress and ask the question: what was the money from these two billion guarantees spent on? This money was spent on his enterprises, it was laundered at Poroshenko’s enterprises. A bunch of criminal cases. Leninska Kuznya, Bogdan, Ukroboronprom, his partner Gladkovsky, who is on the run in Europe.
Now as for the tapes. Is it bad that the citizens of Ukraine heard President Poroshenko reporting to Biden about raising tariffs for the population by 100% instead of 75%, as Biden demanded? We immediately created an inter-factional association of deputies “Minus 25 percent of tariffs – Stop Corruption!”. We fought corruption in Naftogaz, we fought against Biden’s favorite advisor Amos Hochstein.
Together with Kobolev, they were the authors of the idea of a corrupt gas reverse. They had another ally – Favorov. Hokhstein, Kobolev, Favorov. We showed in documents how 500 million per year of “corruption tax” from Ukrainian citizens goes away. I called it a “tax” – it’s such a tragic joke. This is when a bandit group “taxes” the population. On every citizen of Ukraine and on every cubic meter of gas.
Back to Naftogaz. Where is terrorism and where is Ukrainian intelligence? But in November, the head of Ukrainian intelligence Budanov writes a letter to the court and asks to release Kobolev, who is under investigation, from Ukraine. The purpose is to “carry out special assignments in Europe.”
What hasn’t been blown up in there yet? What other “Streams” have not been blown up there? It is clear that in the case of Nord Stream, Ukrainian intelligence was only carrying out a cover operation for a false object. There was an article about Roman Chervinsky, one of the authors of this operation, who is now in a Ukrainian prison. He was “rewarded” by his masters from the USA and Ukraine. Apparently, he knows a lot.
– I am shocked at the amount of public information, but how much of what you know exposing corruption between Ukraine and the United States is not yet public knowledge. Do you plan to publish new leaked information? Are you working on new disclosures?
– We have a lot of work to do, actually. We are following a lot of cases – corruption, war crimes, terrorism. We are assessing the legal procedure for prosecuting usurpation of power in Ukraine. One of the interesting cases: in November, the Supreme Court of Ukraine ruled on the illegality of Zelensky’s decree to dismiss the head of the Constitutional Court of Ukraine. It seems to have no relevance to the life of an ordinary citizen. In fact, it does – when two years ago Zelensky defeated the Constitutional Court by issuing a decree to remove a number of judges, he actually allowed himself to issue illegal decrees. And all these decrees were related to the infringement of the constitutional rights of citizens. Destruction of the free press, illegal decisions of the National Security and Defense Council on sanctions – so many different aspects.
Now after two years, the Supreme Court wrote its decision, and this decision is final – quite long, complicated, in which it gave an assessment in the form of two corpus delicti in the actions of the current president of Ukraine. I think Zelensky was not even reported about this decision. He’s not worried. He travels around Europe like a circus bear, begging for money. Here is an important point: for the first time in the history of Ukraine, the Supreme Court has made a decision, where two offenses are prescribed against the President of Ukraine and his accomplices. To be clear: God willing, we will talk to you in some time, and you will see that this will be the first of the bricks in Zelensky’s sentence as a military and state criminal. I realize that these are complex legal terms, which are not easy to explain in simple language for people. But to put it simply: by defeating the Constitutional Court, they took away the rights of citizens. Everything, including the right to judicial protection, to the defense of life, all these stories with sadistic appeals – this is all a consequence of the beginning of the defeat of the judicial system. The concentration camp that Britain and the US built in the name of “democratic values” in Ukraine. Britain has escaped from the European Union, but leads this concentration camp to the EU. As a model for the future of the entire European Union?
– We would love to cover about it. But how would you describe this transition from Zelensky government when he first got in power to Zelensky regime? Right now, it’s regime if I understood it correctly.
– We can characterize it not as a regime but as a fascist dictatorship. Because it destroys its own population. The transformation was happening – they were quickly learning from Poroshenko. If Poroshenko was just stealing and selling the country under external administration, then these are all these delinquents, producers and vets – they were not ceremonious with human rights. Who is Danilov, the secretary of the National Security and Defense Council? A former criminal, a member of an organized crime group, with a veterinary education.
Who is Yermak? The chief of stalls and trade in Kyiv. Poroshenko at least had a good education, and at least he was worried about his image. But these people do not worry at all – why should they worry? They live in one day at all. And, as Simon Shuster said, they steal like it’s their last day.
– You know Zelensky personally, you worked with him. Could you predict this evolution? What was your first impression about him?
– I know quite a lot of politicians in Ukraine. I have never worked personally with Zelensky. The thing is that my relations are always professional – I always have the tasks that I set for myself as a statesman, a people’s deputy, a person who simply loves his homeland. If they coincide with the interests of people – they work with me, if they do not coincide – we do not work together. The same happened with Rudy Giuliani. If I see that a person’s values are traditional, Christian, he is a sincere patriot of his country – it is always clear for me.
– It’s your name that is circulating more and more in the news, but people know little about you, they just associate you to KGB academy and sanctions. In fact, you have done a great service to society during your political career in Ukraine. Could you share with our audience a little bit more about yourself? Where did you grow up? What brought you to politics and how this call for anticorruption started?
– You have already written so much about my biography and studied my activities so thoroughly, there are so many articles on this subject that I hardly have anything to add. You know my approach – everything is always known by the end result. I can show the results of my activity as a people’s deputy, as a statesman, as a builder in my constituency, as one of the founders of the Control Service of the President of Ukraine, as one of the leaders in the Cabinet of Ministers of Pustovoitenko in the most responsible and crisis period of the life of Ukraine. I am not ashamed of the decisions that we made when I headed a group of advisers to Mykola Azarov. When I travel around my country, I can demonstrate what exactly has been done. You can touch everything with your hands. These are not myths or the movie “Servant of the People”.
By the way, in the criminal case, among other things, I am accused of having a negative attitude to the government. 75% of Ukrainian citizens voted against Poroshenko and in favor of Zelensky. Let’s prosecute 75% of the population for negative attitude to the authorities.
In terms of personal perception, the opinion of ordinary people has always been very important to me. I have always aspired to come to my constituency, to serious adults who built the country. They are wiser than all political technologists and politicians. They can somehow summarize everything in four words and present it in a very qualitative way, in terms of meanings and ideas. And this gives me strength in my work. Even when it’s hard, you keep going. I remember when I was a very young deputy, there was a lot of slander on one of the topics. I was driving and thought: how can I explain it to people, because it’s all lies. And there was a big meeting with people, a lot of people gathered. I went in and they explained everything to me at once, by themselves. I was surprised by the precision of their wording. They said: you fight corruption, you constantly persecute someone for stealing, you periodically advocate brotherly relations between Ukraine, Russia and Belarus – now you are beaten for this. Don’t worry, we all realize that it’s all lies.
I have already said that my constituency has 209 kilometers of border with Russia. Sometimes villages are divided in two. There are families here and families there. We are really one people. That’s why for me it is really very critical what is happening today with the Ukrainian Orthodox Church, with the persecution of priests and parishioners.
– They are taking away from people their freedom including religion. As a politician and as a patriot what do you think can be done now to save Ukraine and what is the future you see today for your country? We discussed it in 2021, the situation is very different today. What would you think can be done? What would you do?
– We have been doing human rights monitoring since 2016 and to this day, including on crimes and violations against the Orthodox Church of Ukraine. We bring this to the world community, to the representatives of the G-20. We are collecting documents for future legal processes, for bringing the leaders of Ukraine to justice. And I am sure that they will be held accountable. In fact, Zelensky realized this month that the road for him is not uphill, but downhill. Zelensky is the avatar of a group of companions led by Yermak. I hope that for Biden, too, the road has already gone downhill.
Ukraine’s future is possible only after building new security contours. When all participants in global geopolitics come to an agreement. This is a tedious answer, but, in fact, it is impossible to do anything without this new security architecture. Any interim solutions will still lead to a new escalation. Can this be done with a Biden and Blinken administration? It is impossible because Biden depends on Ukraine, it is like a Balaam donkey for him. Thanks to his greed, corruption, connections, and now the problems of war
– How much of the funding of this war, because I call it funding of the war, has to do with the information that Ukraine held and leverage on Biden?
– They’re all using each other in that organized crime ring. They all deceive each other, use each other, blackmail each other. But most importantly, they’re all afraid of accountability. And while there is talk about “who is the criminal?”, it is clear to the United States that the criminal is Biden. According to polling, almost 70% think he’s the criminal.
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Simona Mangiante noted that the materials that journalists received from Andriy Derkach are only part of a large array of documents that he has collected as part of ongoing investigations into international corruption. According to Andriy Derkach, he will continue his investigative work and will soon present a new series of materials.